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Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« on: March 15, 2012, 02:21:53 AM »
Hmmm...lots of talk about how ME3 ending sucked...but none on whether Bioware should change it or not...

Here's an article on why Bioware SHOULDN'T give in to demands to change the ending. I'm interested to see what you think (I'm neutral in this).

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/03/protecting-creative-risk-why-mass-effect-3s-ending-should-never-be-changed/

Apparently creative license and author vs fan rights are at stake.

And on the opposite end:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/12/how-bioware-could-find-redemption-using-mass-effect-3/

Also as a follow up to the above:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/13/why-fan-service-is-good-business/

« Last Edit: March 15, 2012, 08:17:40 AM by Grif101 »
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2012, 03:38:44 AM »
I wouldn't take Kotaku too seriously. They've been spewing vitriol ever since this started. Even accused the charity run of staining Child's Play name.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2012, 04:24:30 AM »
Ya, I'll go with change it. Just because a Kotaku writer thinks it would be a bad idea.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 06:54:11 AM »
Here's an even better question: Will BioWare give a flying gently-carress what we think, or just give us the equivalent of the finger?
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2012, 07:02:40 AM »
no they shouldn't, if they do the whiners will get even more arrogant
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2012, 01:44:46 PM »
Here's an even better question: Will BioWare give a flying gently-carress what we think, or just give us the equivalent of the finger?
The finger, probably. If a "change" is forthcoming, it's more likely that it was already planned from the start.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2012, 03:43:05 PM »
no they shouldn't, if they do the whiners will get even more arrogant
I actually have to agree with this.

I also Agree with Kotaku. Mainly because this is the end of the game. And it will be weird to change it, as much as we would like it it wouldn't be the same.

Fans should affect the series but they should not control it entirely. Then again as it was said, DLC has already been planned most likely.

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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2012, 06:03:32 PM »
I actually have to agree with this.

I also Agree with Kotaku. Mainly because this is the end of the game. And it will be weird to change it, as much as we would like it it wouldn't be the same.

Fans should affect the series but they should not control it entirely. Then again as it was said, DLC has already been planned most likely.
Well, they really put this on themselves. To end a trilogy in a bungle such as this...
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2012, 06:16:18 PM »
Well, they really put this on themselves. To end a trilogy in a bungle such as this...
They messed up. All that means is they should no longer be trusted and no longer have money thrown at them. So yeah the ending was terrible the rest of the game was good.

Its more about principle really, don't like it, don't buy it. And if what you get disappoints you, express your discontent, and no longer support those who disappointed you.

I am confident though they will make DLC for what happens after the ending.

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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2012, 06:38:28 PM »
They messed up. All that means is they should no longer be trusted and no longer have money thrown at them. So yeah the ending was terrible the rest of the game was good.
Pretty much this.

A shame that it happened though.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2012, 07:30:12 PM »
You know, I just had a revelation. The final final cut-scene basically says that everything you did that didn't involve destroying the reapers (the last five minutes of the game) doesn't matter because taking care of the reaper threat was all that mattered, and is all you're going to be remembered for. Somewhere some civilization still made it in the future and that's all that counts.

On topic: Bioware threw all its fans the middle finger and made horrible endings. Really sucks to get a sour note like that at the end a great trilogy that so many people got involved with.

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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2012, 08:46:48 PM »
On topic: Bioware threw all its fans the middle finger and made horrible endings. Really sucks to get a sour note like that at the end a great trilogy that so many people got involved with.
Sucks indeed. I expect the same to happen in DA3.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2012, 05:24:03 AM »
There's hope yet for fans who want a different ending apparently:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/1220712p1.html


Also, Penny Arcade has come up with the PERFECT ending:
http://penny-arcade.com/comic
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2012, 06:16:12 AM »
There's hope yet for fans who want a different ending apparently:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/1220712p1.html
Nope, that's just the standard PR maneuver for this situation.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2012, 07:31:43 AM »
Nope, that's just the standard PR maneuver for this situation.

I call BS on that. Why practically say they're considering it, then do nothing? That's just poor business sense. If they didn't intend to change it, or at least consider changing it, they would've done less damage by continually saying "No".

I say we might actually get something from them eventually.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2012, 12:29:54 PM »
I call BS on that. Why practically say they're considering it, then do nothing? That's just poor business sense. If they didn't intend to change it, or at least consider changing it, they would've done less damage by continually saying "No".

I say we might actually get something from them eventually.
It's called deflecting, I think. Appear like you're trying to appease the other side while at the same time stalling for time and doing nothing.

And they did respond. Casey Hudson did provide an "answer" that basically said nothing, stressed the good support they got in the gaming media (the media practically licked their boots, they always do) and "acknowledged" the dissent. Gave the vibe that they're going to do jack excrement about the ending as it is.

They gently-carressed up. Simple. And they're acting like they didn't gently-carress up at all. They're trippin' balls on their own Hubris.

Here, for reference:

It's an analisys of BW's PR strategy.
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2012, 01:29:11 AM »
It's called deflecting, I think. Appear like you're trying to appease the other side while at the same time stalling for time and doing nothing.

And they did respond. Casey Hudson did provide an "answer" that basically said nothing, stressed the good support they got in the gaming media (the media practically licked their boots, they always do) and "acknowledged" the dissent. Gave the vibe that they're going to do jack excrement about the ending as it is.

They gently-carressed up. Simple. And they're acting like they didn't gently-carress up at all. They're trippin' balls on their own Hubris.

Here, for reference:

It's an analisys of BW's PR strategy.
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1

Okay, it was a PR maneuver. But this post gives me a lot of hope. What they're saying is that Bioware/EA is weakening. All we have to do is maintain the pressure but be civil but yet uncompromising.

If I were you I'd spread that link around, get people working together on this.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2012, 01:37:51 AM »
Okay, it was a PR maneuver. But this post gives me a lot of hope. What they're saying is that Bioware/EA is weakening. All we have to do is maintain the pressure but be civil but yet uncompromising.

If I were you I'd spread that link around, get people working together on this.
Dude, there's already a "movement" organized around trying to get them to make a better ending, complete with a Child's Play charity drive.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2012, 02:10:39 AM »
Dude, there's already a "movement" organized around trying to get them to make a better ending, complete with a Child's Play charity drive.

I know, my point is to get even more people involved. Heck I plan on telling my friends who play this to follow their lead. If we can help out their movement, it'll be a boon and work towards getting Bioware/EA to accede.

I know it's a game, but it was phenomonal one and they should be proud. This is the only game I've been passionate about, which is saying something. I intend to see this through and I hope at least some people here do so as well.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2012, 02:34:47 AM »
I know, my point is to get even more people involved. Heck I plan on telling my friends who play this to follow their lead. If we can help out their movement, it'll be a boon and work towards getting Bioware/EA to accede.

I know it's a game, but it was phenomonal one and they should be proud. This is the only game I've been passionate about, which is saying something. I intend to see this through and I hope at least some people here do so as well.
Already dropped a donation in the charity. Worst that could happen is for us to help some kids, and that's always a good thing, regardless.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2012, 03:06:36 AM »
Already dropped a donation in the charity. Worst that could happen is for us to help some kids, and that's always a good thing, regardless.

Pretty much. Remember too, we refuse to buy from them, and their profits will begin to hurt. When their profits start taking the heat, we'll really get their attention.
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2012, 03:14:51 AM »
Has anyone heard the indoctrination theory?
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2012, 03:15:16 AM »
Pretty much. Remember too, we refuse to buy from them, and their profits will begin to hurt. When their profits start taking the heat, we'll really get their attention.
True... I am hearing reports of a few places in Europe selling the game for as low as $30 at this point

Has anyone heard the indoctrination theory?
The one where the last 15-20 minutes is all a dream and a test to see if you fall for their indoctrination or not?

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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2012, 03:18:30 AM »
The one where the last 15-20 minutes is all a dream and a test to see if you fall for their indoctrination or not?

Yeah that, its plausible, and a nice out for BW to cover their asses
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Re: Should Bioware change the ending or not?
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2012, 04:05:34 AM »
Yeah that, its plausible, and a nice out for BW to cover their asses
If you don't take into account that LAst Hours iOS app. They planned the ending to be the way we saw, it seems.

It also had a page from Mac Walters's scrapbook.

Lots of scribbles and then this:

LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE.

I lol'd. :D
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