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Title: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Captain Jean-Luc on June 22, 2012, 08:17:32 PM
[float=left][attach=1][/float]That's right folks, the much discussed Extended Cut DLC for Mass Effect 3 that promises to add "clarity and closure" to the existing ending of the game is set for release merely 4 days from now.  Though very little info was released by Bioware in regards to the content of the ending (likely for spoiler purposes), what we do know is that the download will be a whopping 1.9GB and that it will also provide what appears to be a fully animated epilogue to the series.  Bioware is telling players that in order to experience the full breadth of the changes to the ending, players should start playing again before the assault on the Cerberus HQ.

The DLC releases on Tuesday, June 26th for Xbox 360, PC and Playstation 3, and will arrive on Playstation 3 in Europe on July 4th.

More info at masseffect.com (http://www.masseffect.com/about/extended_cut/)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 22, 2012, 08:32:25 PM
Too bad I didn't post this as user news, I'd have ninja'd you. :P

In regards to the DLC itself...meh. I'm already dissatisfied with the whole thing to the point of indifference, so I have no faith that this release will do anything to change that.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: killer rin on June 23, 2012, 02:24:48 AM
"Clarity and Closure" must be secret words for "Not Changing a Thing"

Why can't they just change the ending and have it activate if you shoot Reaper Ghost God Child
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: LordNecross on June 23, 2012, 02:31:54 AM
All I wanted was an explanation as to why, not a change of the ending, if this gives me what I want, then I will be satisfied. If not then it was all for not and i leave yet again unsatisfied.

Either way, Bioware loses a customer for not doing it right the first time.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 23, 2012, 02:40:19 AM
Either way, Bioware loses a customer for not doing it right the first time.
Therein lies the important thing. They fumbled on the first try.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Rakia_Time on June 23, 2012, 01:36:46 PM
and zero gently-carresss were given
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 23, 2012, 09:35:13 PM
and zero gently-carresss were given
:D
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: JDog2pt0 on June 24, 2012, 08:46:45 AM
I missed the whole sign-up earlier. So I don't know if they're going to charge for it now. Either way, I'll obtain it when I'm ready to open up an old wound.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 24, 2012, 03:52:49 PM
I missed the whole sign-up earlier. So I don't know if they're going to charge for it now. Either way, I'll obtain it when I'm ready to open up an old wound.
It's a free DLC, supposedly.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: TK Dude on June 25, 2012, 06:27:50 AM
Hey, the ''You're too stupid to understand our artistic vision'' DLC is releasing soon. Yay.  :|
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 26, 2012, 04:33:15 PM
It is already out for the 360 users. No idea on whether it's out for Origin...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: killer rin on June 26, 2012, 04:36:52 PM
It is already out for the 360 users. No idea on whether it's out for Origin...
Eh its out already? Is it any good?

EDIT: A little, still prefer Indoctrination Theory
Mass Effect 3 (Extended Cut DLC) - New Ending - Rejection Ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAokir4knM#ws)
Mass Effect 3 (Extended Cut DLC) - Synthesis Ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6u8QIqLSmU#ws)
Mass Effect 3 (Extended Cut DLC) - Destroy Ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boVF5v0tO7s#ws)
Mass Effect 3 Walkthrough - Extended Cut DLC Control Ending Let's Play XBOX PS3 PC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5J-QDTM8Zk#ws)
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 26, 2012, 05:56:28 PM
You forgot to post the Control and Refusal videos.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: killer rin on June 26, 2012, 05:57:04 PM
You forgot to post the Control and Refusal videos.
Watching them now, I update as I watch
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 26, 2012, 06:02:29 PM
Watching them now, I update as I watch
Pay attention to the refusal one.

You'll know what the starchild really is.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: killer rin on June 26, 2012, 06:07:18 PM
Pay attention to the refusal one.

You'll know what the starchild really is.
I made that reference as well. Nice try Harby.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Tairis Deamhan on June 26, 2012, 06:50:47 PM
Okay so is there anything else actually IN GAME beyond just what happens on the Citadel? Can't watch the youtube videos atm so just wanted to know if its worth my completing my current play through or if I'll get the same effect from watching it on youtube?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: killer rin on June 26, 2012, 06:55:50 PM
Okay so is there anything else actually IN GAME beyond just what happens on the Citadel? Can't watch the youtube videos atm so just wanted to know if its worth my completing my current play through or if I'll get the same effect from watching it on youtube?
a few new cutscenes for the space battle, new dialogue options for the star child which tell you more about the reasoning behind the reapers and the first species... and a new ending which can be triggered via choosing the final renegade option with the star child or by shooting him.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 26, 2012, 07:01:42 PM
and a new ending which can be triggered via choosing the final renegade option with the star child or by shooting him.
This one being one of the biggest "up yours" that I've ever seen. :D

From Bioware to the ones that advocated it as being the corect approach regarding the IT, that is.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Tairis Deamhan on June 26, 2012, 07:09:20 PM
Okay so in otherwords... youtube is the solution. Not enough in game content to justify a playthrough.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: killer rin on June 26, 2012, 07:13:10 PM
This one being one of the biggest "up yours" that I've ever seen. :D

From Bioware to the ones that advocated it as being the corect approach regarding the IT, that is.
Hey, it confirms IT because its revealed that it is Harbringer.

..Also with Liaras beacon I am imagining a bunch of pissed off Yangs with Thanx Cannons and Cains breeding a gigantic army and activating the citadel relay to take the fight to the Reapers. Effectively catching them offguard.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Grif101 on June 26, 2012, 07:57:17 PM
Bioware its a good thing I didn't expect much...better than the original endings, but not that much better. I also get the feeling this is all we're getting from them...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 26, 2012, 08:06:43 PM
Bioware its a good thing I didn't expect much...better than the original endings, but not that much better. I also get the feeling this is all we're getting from them...
That's because it is all we're going to get from them on this matter. They'll move on to the paid DLC now, though with things as they are, what's the point? Not much reason to play anything at all (the retake omega thing is one example) if all there's to it is more points toward EMS.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Grif101 on June 26, 2012, 08:13:52 PM
That's because it is all we're going to get from them on this matter. They'll move on to the paid DLC now, though with things as they are, what's the point? Not much reason to play anything at all (the retake omega thing is one example) if all there's to it is more points toward EMS.

EMS?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 26, 2012, 09:35:40 PM
EMS?
Effective Military Strength. The final score that determines the ending you get.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Grif101 on June 26, 2012, 09:54:36 PM
Effective Military Strength. The final score that determines the ending you get.

Oh that.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Tairis Deamhan on June 26, 2012, 10:23:11 PM
Okay, watched. They take the end of ME3 from 'WTF is this utter crap' to 'Well, not what I was hoping for but I can live with this."
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 26, 2012, 10:24:57 PM
Oh that.
Yeah. It was such a good idea to use it that most people call it "oh, that".

Translation, it was a dumb as gently-carress idea. Generalize everything into a numerical score so you don't have to handle "all the variables".

Anyways, the whole thing is such a display of thoughtlessness that I find it hard to throw money at them. (i.e. buy stuff).
Okay, watched. They take the end of ME3 from 'WTF is this utter crap' to 'Well, not what I was hoping for but I can live with this."
And therein lies the problem. We shouldn't have to "live with it". Is it enough for you to still buy stuff from Bioware?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Tairis Deamhan on June 27, 2012, 03:07:24 AM
Is it good enough for me to buy a Bioware product again? Yes. Is it good enough to put them back into the 'must buy, sight unseen' territory? Most definitely not. They lost that status pretty much forever between ME3 and Old Republic.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: killer rin on June 27, 2012, 03:13:17 AM
Has everyone ever noticed; Bioware is great at starting excrement, but they can never seem to end it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 27, 2012, 03:37:18 AM
Has everyone ever noticed; Bioware is great at starting excrement, but they can never seem to end it.
Hmmmm...yes. Comes with being increasingly high profile.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Grif101 on June 27, 2012, 04:33:59 AM
Hmmmm...yes. Comes with being increasingly high profile.

I blame EA...they have a tendency to spoil good game companies. :dry:
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 27, 2012, 04:40:05 AM
I blame EA...they have a tendency to spoil good game companies. :dry:
I blame EA. And Bioware itself. No one is ever blame-free in this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Deadeas on June 27, 2012, 04:47:05 AM
Whelp, finally done with ME since this is out. It's given closure to me.

Even if said closure was choosing Refuse and letting the next cycle wipe up.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 27, 2012, 07:43:29 AM
Finally went through it and...bleh. What a fizzle. Not as much of a turd as before but, ugh.

I'm certainly not interested in "Retaking Omega" or the MP after what I've been served.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: SirEmilCrane on June 27, 2012, 09:14:58 AM
Ok, the first endings sucked, and these ones are better at least

The world has not ended, I know its a bit of a let down, but the game was still great, life goes on I guess. I'm not sure why some people are so mad about this, a game company went out of their way to change a crappy ending and people are still mad? This is unprecedented fan service and people are still up in arms?

Well anyway, better effort this time round BW
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: wisekill1 on June 27, 2012, 07:59:33 PM
First playtrough I did the Refusal by accident... I shot the catalyst at the end of the talking just to amuse myself and suddenly Harby was yelling at me.
I liked the (very short) scene in the end.

Second time I did destroy again (I also did it in my original playthrough) and still hope the Bioware will release an Indoctrination DLC. The new, extended endings are better but I'm still not statified with it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: TK Dude on June 28, 2012, 02:33:16 PM
Youtubed it and here's a pic to give my thought of it.


(http://static.tumblr.com/athyxni/n0Xm2wbde/middle_finger.png)



Dear EA/Bioware,
Things would be a lot better if you are wiped out from the face of the earth forever along with other excrementty big publishers. The industry deserves better than a bunch of money-grubbing sociopaths like you.


gently-carress you with a fury of a thousand suns and good day.


Sincerely,
TKDude.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Captain Jean-Luc on June 28, 2012, 08:04:57 PM
Youtubed it and here's a pic to give my thought of it.



Dear EA/Bioware,
Things would be a lot better if you are wiped out from the face of the earth forever along with other excrementty big publishers. The industry deserves better than a bunch of money-grubbing sociopaths like you.


gently-carress you with a fury of a thousand suns and good day.


Sincerely,
TKDude.

*raises eyebrows*

Uh...you mad, bro?  I thought the new endings were much, much better.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Rakia_Time on June 28, 2012, 08:08:13 PM
Youtubed it and here's a pic to give my thought of it.


*snip*



Dear EA/Bioware,
Things would be a lot better if you are wiped out from the face of the earth forever along with other excrementty big publishers. The industry deserves better than a bunch of money-grubbing sociopaths like you.


gently-carress you with a fury of a thousand suns and good day.


Sincerely,
TKDude.

i have to say, you're full of excrement  :P
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 28, 2012, 08:38:57 PM
Uh...you mad, bro?  I thought the new endings were much, much better.
Better? Yes. Still badly written though. And manage to introduce new holes.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Captain Jean-Luc on June 28, 2012, 11:30:55 PM
Better? Yes. Still badly written though. And manage to introduce new holes.
In some respects, yeah.  The Normandy evac scene fixes the teleporting squadmates but makes you wonder why Harbinger doesn't blast the Normandy out of the sky; the garden planet is effectively useless now beyond looking really, really pretty; synthesis still doesn't make any sense...but I still think they closed more plot holes than they opened, and between the music, the visuals, and the closure, the ending of the game is now satisfactory.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: SirEmilCrane on June 29, 2012, 01:43:58 AM
Seriously, what doesn't have plot holes?

Dear EA/Bioware,
Things would be a lot better if you are wiped out from the face of the earth forever along with other excrementty big publishers. The industry deserves better than a bunch of money-grubbing sociopaths like you.


gently-carress you with a fury of a thousand suns and good day.


Sincerely,
TKDude.


I think you may want to calm down and take a few deep breaths, and realize that the world has not ended, and indeed, billions of people are going on with their daily lives just fine. There's a whole bright world outside your window.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: TK Dude on June 29, 2012, 12:16:28 PM
First of all, I'd like to apologize for being madface. (Paraphrasing Jean. :P)


My problem is the EC didn't delivered what I wanted. I wanted BW to re-do the ending from scratch, but I was willing to have them keep the original endings while they clarifying whatever the gently-carress they want if they added the refuse ending. I was trillion times angry when I saw the refuse ending's outcome is auto-fail no matter what.


All I wanted is refuse to compromise my moral values with Starbrat and have different outcomes depending on EMS. Was that really hard to do?
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 29, 2012, 01:05:33 PM
I was trillion times angry when I saw the refuse ending's outcome is auto-fail no matter what.
Ah yes, that ending was a middle-finger if I ever saw one.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Captain Jean-Luc on June 29, 2012, 03:54:00 PM
Ah yes, that ending was a middle-finger if I ever saw one.
Why?  Why on earth is everyone convinced that Bioware was saying "haha, gently-carress you, fans!" with that ending?  We were told REPEATEDLY that a conventional assault against the Reapers was a guaranteed failure.  Hackett knew it, Shepard knew it, everyone knew it.  The Crucible was literally our only chance at victory, and if Shepard can't make the choice, then it's up to the next cycle to do it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 29, 2012, 04:28:39 PM
Why?  Why on earth is everyone convinced that Bioware was saying "haha, gently-carress you, fans!" with that ending?  We were told REPEATEDLY that a conventional assault against the Reapers was a guaranteed failure.  Hackett knew it, Shepard knew it, everyone knew it.  The Crucible was literally our only chance at victory, and if Shepard can't make the choice, then it's up to the next cycle to do it.
Why go through the trouble of adding it in then? Did you seriously expect that gamers, being as diverse as they are, would universally accept this "rocks-fall-everyone-dies" (and don't tell me it isn't an ending of this particular type) if they decided not to end the game on the Catalyst's terms?

That BW decided to add that ending out of the blue seems more like an issue of rubbing that outcome in than anything else. It was already properly and overtly foreshadowed/predicted.

I think that one of the problems here is that people expected to have an "utter failure" ending due to a piss-poor performance, not due to a disagreement with the starchild. Or due to shooting it, as many people did and got that ending. (which was a funny surprise).
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Tairis Deamhan on June 29, 2012, 06:26:36 PM
Why?  Why on earth is everyone convinced that Bioware was saying "haha, gently-carress you, fans!" with that ending?  We were told REPEATEDLY that a conventional assault against the Reapers was a guaranteed failure.  Hackett knew it, Shepard knew it, everyone knew it.  The Crucible was literally our only chance at victory, and if Shepard can't make the choice, then it's up to the next cycle to do it.

Actually the only person that EVER says we can't beat them? Hackett. And considering his big plan was a charging line of ships...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: SirEmilCrane on June 30, 2012, 02:25:53 AM
Actually the only person that EVER says we can't beat them? Hackett. And considering his big plan was a charging line of ships...

In his defense there's not actually that much you can do with naval tactics in the ME universe, and I wouldn't expect BW to be well versed in the particulars of naval warfare. We've been repeatedly told the reapers don't fight like other species, and that most conventional tactics don't work against them. Jutland is really your only answer here.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Grif101 on June 30, 2012, 03:16:21 AM
In his defense there's not actually that much you can do with naval tactics in the ME universe, and I wouldn't expect BW to be well versed in the particulars of naval warfare. We've been repeatedly told the reapers don't fight like other species, and that most conventional tactics don't work against them. Jutland is really your only answer here.

There's also the fact that Earth was really the only naval battle you see, besides a brief glimpse at Palaven. If you read the Codex entries and listen to some of the banter, you learn that the various races have pretty much used every tactic they knew, but they all ended up being irrelevant because the Reapers just shrugged off the damage. The charging line of ships was really all they could do, as it allowed them to make use of the entire fleet's firepower, which was all that mattered with the Reapers.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 30, 2012, 03:31:11 AM
There's also the fact that Earth was really the only naval battle you see, besides a brief glimpse at Palaven. If you read the Codex entries and listen to some of the banter, you learn that the various races have pretty much used every tactic they knew, but they all ended up being irrelevant because the Reapers just shrugged off the damage. The charging line of ships was really all they could do, as it allowed them to make use of the entire fleet's firepower, which was all that mattered with the Reapers.
If I'm not mistaken, there's some stuff outlawed in ME that could've helped...once past the shields.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: LordNecross on June 30, 2012, 03:34:26 AM
If I'm not mistaken, there's some stuff outlawed in ME that could've helped...once past the shields.
Holy Crap. I had forgotten, wasn't their an Ammo mod that ignored shields in ME1? Or am I mistaken?

Wait, yep they had those, they should have used them.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: SirEmilCrane on June 30, 2012, 03:46:05 AM
If I'm not mistaken, there's some stuff outlawed in ME that could've helped...once past the shields.

Nuclear weapons? Considering dreadnought mass accelerators hit with the force of atomic bombs I don't think they can help here. Also, how would the ships launch them, they're configured to fire mass accelerator weapons, and thats what they train to do, it would take ages to just implement a new weapon system in the fleet and standardize it across potentially 7 or 8 different fleets.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Grif101 on June 30, 2012, 03:50:45 AM
Holy Crap. I had forgotten, wasn't their an Ammo mod that ignored shields in ME1? Or am I mistaken?

Wait, yep they had those, they should have used them.

I think I know what you're talking about, and that mod didn't ignore shields, it just made it easier to punch through them. Besides, those were for small arms, and its more complicated than you think to adapt them for big guns. Also remember that until the invasion itself happened, not a lot of people took Shepard seriously, and by then it was too late to modify the big guns or prepare in any other way.

Also know that they wouldn't have had a large stockpile of "outlawed" WMD's, as that would've defeated the purpose of having them outlawed. There were mentions of nuclear weapons used, but that was mainly by Cerberus though. Aria mentioned that the mercs would've used outlawed weapons, so its possible there were battles we didn't see that involved said outlawed weapons.

Either way, the issue wasn't weaponry, it was lack of preparation. The various races did so bad because the Reapers took them by complete surprise, and overran them before they could organize and regroup. You could have the most badass firepower out there, but if you're not even prepared and completely ignorant of the threat, it won't do you any good.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: LordNecross on June 30, 2012, 04:24:10 AM
I think I know what you're talking about, and that mod didn't ignore shields, it just made it easier to punch through them. Besides, those were for small arms, and its more complicated than you think to adapt them for big guns. Also remember that until the invasion itself happened, not a lot of people took Shepard seriously, and by then it was too late to modify the big guns or prepare in any other way.

Also know that they wouldn't have had a large stockpile of "outlawed" WMD's, as that would've defeated the purpose of having them outlawed. There were mentions of nuclear weapons used, but that was mainly by Cerberus though. Aria mentioned that the mercs would've used outlawed weapons, so its possible there were battles we didn't see that involved said outlawed weapons.

Either way, the issue wasn't weaponry, it was lack of preparation. The various races did so bad because the Reapers took them by complete surprise, and overran them before they could organize and regroup. You could have the most badass firepower out there, but if you're not even prepared and completely ignorant of the threat, it won't do you any good.
Anyways, I read up on it and it does bypass shields, a Percentage of the damage hurts the person directly ignoring shielding. up to 55% at a cost of less damage compared to physical rounds. But it DID ignore shields, but yes it would be difficult for larger weapons, and they weren't prepared anyways.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 30, 2012, 04:31:55 AM
Nuclear weapons? Considering dreadnought mass accelerators hit with the force of atomic bombs I don't think they can help here. Also, how would the ships launch them, they're configured to fire mass accelerator weapons, and thats what they train to do, it would take ages to just implement a new weapon system in the fleet and standardize it across potentially 7 or 8 different fleets.
I was alluding to antimatter weapons. I think I red something about them in one of the codex entries.

Or I'm grossly mistaken...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 30, 2012, 04:35:12 AM
Anyways, I read up on it and it does bypass shields, a Percentage of the damage hurts the person directly ignoring shielding. up to 55% at a cost of less damage compared to physical rounds. But it DID ignore shields, but yes it would be difficult for larger weapons, and they weren't prepared anyways.
Not to mention that I'm certain that they'd add to the bulk of each weapon considerably. Bear in mind that (at least it seems that way) most ships are planned to have such and such weapons without too much wiggle room, at least for the humongous stuff Cruisers/Destroyers/Dreadnoughts use. The main guns run the length of the ship!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: SirEmilCrane on June 30, 2012, 04:43:35 AM
I was alluding to antimatter weapons. I think I red something about them in one of the codex entries.

Or I'm grossly mistaken...

even still, the amount of time it would take to implement those weapons would be enormous

First, you've got to replace the existing weaponry on the ships with new guns capable of shooting those weapons, then you've got to train the gunnery officers and crew to fire them, re-calibrate the fire control for the new weapons, and re-configure the ship board VI's to handle the weapons and train the fleets in their proper use and develop tactics for the weapons delivery 

it would just take too much time and resources
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on June 30, 2012, 04:47:43 AM
even still, the amount of time it would take to implement those weapons would be enormous

First, you've got to replace the existing weaponry on the ships with new guns capable of shooting those weapons, then you've got to train the gunnery officers and crew to fire them, re-calibrate the fire control for the new weapons, and re-configure the ship board VI's to handle the weapons and train the fleets in their proper use and develop tactics for the weapons delivery 

it would just take too much time and resources
To adapt on the fly, yes. It'd take too much time they didn't have.

If it were anything like in 40k, I'd think a lot of officers would be shot for gross incopetence.

Eh, well. Story's over. Nothing new to see from now on...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Tairis Deamhan on July 01, 2012, 06:41:16 PM
In his defense there's not actually that much you can do with naval tactics in the ME universe, and I wouldn't expect BW to be well versed in the particulars of naval warfare. We've been repeatedly told the reapers don't fight like other species, and that most conventional tactics don't work against them. Jutland is really your only answer here.

Well off the top of my head... I would say that just using some of the tactics already mentioned in the freak'n Codex might have helped. Such as making short range jumps inside the Reaper's gun ranges and using superior maneuverability, called targets with concentrated fire... also ships actually USING those thanix canons that every single race is mentioned having...

Not to mention the bit where the planet Earth should have basically been a glassed wasteland after that first volley assuming even 5% of the shots missed. Made all the more egregious by the fact that they had the NPC in the previous game that pointed out how 'you always hit something' when firing a mass accelerator.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on July 01, 2012, 07:54:00 PM
Not to mention the bit where the planet Earth should have basically been a glassed wasteland after that first volley assuming even 5% of the shots missed. Made all the more egregious by the fact that they had the NPC in the previous game that pointed out how 'you always hit something' when firing a mass accelerator.
Gotta lower those figures a bit, we have to also assume that part of the missed rounds will hit water and also that Earth's other side simply wouldn't be hit.

But yes, the possibility of quite a number of rounds hitting ground still exists.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Tairis Deamhan on July 02, 2012, 02:01:58 AM
Gotta lower those figures a bit, we have to also assume that part of the missed rounds will hit water and also that Earth's other side simply wouldn't be hit.

But yes, the possibility of quite a number of rounds hitting ground still exists.

Wouldn't really matter where they hit, the result would be largely the same. Multiple impacts on that scale? Would be apocalyptic. 5% just seemed like a fairly reasonable number considering the amount of shots you see slipping past in the cinematic and you've got what has to be hundreds of ships firing.

Of course it also gives rise to the issue of why *can't* you nuke the Reapers? By the standards of Mass Effect technology hydrogen bombs are pitifully simple to make by comparison. In the 'Deadliest Son of a Bitch In Space' dialogue the drill sergeant mentions that the main gun of the Everest dreadnought possesses a yield roughly equal to three times that of the 'Little Boy' used during World War 2.

A single trident II missile as exists today that would launch from a nuclear submarine is capable of a yield of more than eighty times that explosive force.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Grif101 on July 02, 2012, 02:48:14 AM
Wouldn't really matter where they hit, the result would be largely the same. Multiple impacts on that scale? Would be apocalyptic. 5% just seemed like a fairly reasonable number considering the amount of shots you see slipping past in the cinematic and you've got what has to be hundreds of ships firing.

Of course it also gives rise to the issue of why *can't* you nuke the Reapers? By the standards of Mass Effect technology hydrogen bombs are pitifully simple to make by comparison. In the 'Deadliest Son of a Bitch In Space' dialogue the drill sergeant mentions that the main gun of the Everest dreadnought possesses a yield roughly equal to three times that of the 'Little Boy' used during World War 2.

A single trident II missile as exists today that would launch from a nuclear submarine is capable of a yield of more than eighty times that explosive force.

A nuclear weapon is not as effective in space as it is within a planetary atmoshpere. If you detonate a nuke in space, you only get a very hot fireball for a few short seconds, plus EMP but the Reapers would very likely be hardened against EMP so it'd still be useless. A nuclear strike on the ground might prove effective, but you'd end up vaporizing your own forces and civilians right along with the Reaper, and the nuclear blast would cause more casualties then the Reaper itself. So really nuclear or antimatter weapons would prove quite unuseable during the Reaper war, unless the planet being attacked was already lost and you had nothing to lose during said battle. Even then you'd just be accelerating your own extinction, as even with a colony lost there'd still be thousands or millions of colonists left, and most of them would die in the blasts or fallout.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Tairis Deamhan on July 02, 2012, 04:41:58 AM
You don't get a 'blast wave' as there is no air, etc to interact with, true Instead you just get the massive release of pure radiation and heat (somewhere around 3x hotter than our own sun at point of detonation if I recall correctly). Which you wouldn't think kinetic barriers would be too hot against consider they don't stop the lasers mounted on ships in ME. By all rights a nuke that actually detonated right next to a Reaper should ruin its day.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: SirEmilCrane on July 02, 2012, 06:11:56 AM
Had the fleets of the galaxy had the time to prepare nuking them would be a great strategy, but they didn't exactly have the time.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Grif101 on July 02, 2012, 06:15:29 AM
Had the fleets of the galaxy had the time to prepare nuking them would be a great strategy, but they didn't exactly have the time.

Which brings us back to our original conclusion: The various races and fleets did poorly because they didn't prepare and were taken by surprise.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Tairis Deamhan on July 02, 2012, 01:52:31 PM
Had the fleets of the galaxy had the time to prepare nuking them would be a great strategy, but they didn't exactly have the time.

How do you figure that exactly? We're talking about a universe where a tiny holographic computer on your arm can manufacture tiny guided missiles with incendiary payloads. They spend an unknown amount of time building the Crucible (I'd assume start to finish ME3 spans a few months)... why exactly can they not manufacture nukes in this time?

Not to mention the krogan DO have a stockpile of WMDs, which is how the 'Miracle at Palaven' happened.

All in all the entire thing just vexes me because it's sheer laziness on the part of the writing. It specifically points out how the Reapers took out missile silos for nukes when they hit Earth, yet in the months afterwards no one ever thinks to make more? And it's not like there are no facilities available considering Sur'Kesh was never even attacked.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: LordNecross on July 11, 2012, 07:18:32 AM
God Damn I let the Whiners get the best of me. The ending wasn't that bad, with the Extended cut of course. I was disappointed at the endings being imperfect all in all, with no You saved a bit of everyone ending and shepard still lives.

All in all it wasn't that bad now that I got to experience it.

Probably will read FF to fill the void or see others takes on it.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on July 11, 2012, 12:48:52 PM
Whiners
To each their own.

I see things differently.

Firstly, this extended cut shouldn't have been a free DLC at all. It should've been the ending presented in the base game.

Secondly, it shouldn't be a question of "not that bad". It should be "it's just right". Buying something you consider subpar and then saying "it's not that bad" without voicing your opinion even once only serves to perpetuate the never ending flux of crappy games that come out these days.

Thirdly, this Extended Cut still doesn't deal with the fact that they pulled an egregious piece of space magic out of their asses at the last minutes. In the conclusion of a trilogy, not simply just one game.

And finally, their "it's our artistic vision" attitude through the whole affair. I'm not inclined to give my money to a game developer that is always perched on a high horse.
Probably will read FF to fill the void or see others takes on it.
There's been scant few FFs these days. At least from the guys I subscribed to.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: LordNecross on July 11, 2012, 05:00:23 PM
To each their own.

I see things differently.

Firstly, this extended cut shouldn't have been a free DLC at all. It should've been the ending presented in the base game.

Secondly, it shouldn't be a question of "not that bad". It should be "it's just right". Buying something you consider subpar and then saying "it's not that bad" without voicing your opinion even once only serves to perpetuate the never ending flux of crappy games that come out these days.

Thirdly, this Extended Cut still doesn't deal with the fact that they pulled an egregious piece of space magic out of their asses at the last minutes. In the conclusion of a trilogy, not simply just one game.

And finally, their "it's our artistic vision" attitude through the whole affair. I'm not inclined to give my money to a game developer that is always perched on a high horse.There's been scant few FFs these days. At least from the guys I subscribed to.
Yeah but you are reasonable, some people are getting way overboard on the affair.  Now that I have finished the game, I am actually able to leave the series on a semi-good note.

I mean, I killed all the geth and EDI, cause I chose the "Red Explosion" Ending, but I found it satisfactory.

Before the Free DLC I can see why it was an unacceptable pile of crap. But yes on principle it should have been that way the first time around. And on top of that the fact they lied about how to get the perfect ending, that before the free DLC it was impossible without multiplayer.

I mostly meant people who were still flipping about the extended cut. I did not feel disappointed after the new DLC.

Does it mean I want to buy from them? Not really. It all depends. I am kinda wondering if EA is gonna want to rape the series, like Microsoft did with Halo.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on July 11, 2012, 06:29:10 PM
Quote from: LordNecross link=topic=417.msg22560#msg22560
I am kinda wondering if EA is gonna want to rape the series, like Microsoft did with Halo.
Seeing as they decided to monetize ME3 further with some sort of TCG thing ( random unlocks that you can buy with real money) I wouldn't put it past them.

ME3 went from being a turd to something more like a dud, IMO. And two duds in a row (i'm including DA2 here) is a bit too much for me...
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: wisekill1 on November 05, 2012, 08:20:32 PM
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but I couldn'd be bothered to make a new topic.  :P

If there is anyone still unhappy about the endings some fans made a "Happy ending mod" it skips all of the god child scenes and adds new fan made cinematics, the youtube video looks promising but I didn't want to watch it until the end because of spoilers. (Yeah I know, spoilers for a fan made ending mod.)

Here is the link to the first video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU7XJdaz08I&fmt=22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU7XJdaz08I&fmt=22)

BSN topic:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14795358/1 (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14795358/1)

Download link:
http://social.bioware.com/project/8587/#files (http://social.bioware.com/project/8587/#files)

Don't ask me how to install in because I'm still downloading and have no clue.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: PMorgan18 on November 05, 2012, 09:13:03 PM
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but I couldn'd be bothered to make a new topic.  :P

If there is anyone still unhappy about the endings some fans made a "Happy ending mod" it skips all of the god child scenes and adds new fan made cinematics, the youtube video looks promising but I didn't want to watch it until the end because of spoilers. (Yeah I know, spoilers for a fan made ending mod.)

Here is the link to the first video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU7XJdaz08I&fmt=22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU7XJdaz08I&fmt=22)

BSN topic:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14795358/1 (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14795358/1)

Download link:
http://social.bioware.com/project/8587/#files (http://social.bioware.com/project/8587/#files)

Don't ask me how to install in because I'm still downloading and have no clue.
Well... It might be time to start a second playthrough then.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: killer rin on November 05, 2012, 09:45:19 PM
Does it mean I want to buy from them? Not really. It all depends. I am kinda wondering if EA is gonna want to rape the series, like Microsoft did with Halo.
Its not rape if they continue to innovate the series/story.
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: mikethor007 on November 05, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but I couldn'd be bothered to make a new topic.  :P

If there is anyone still unhappy about the endings some fans made a "Happy ending mod" it skips all of the god child scenes and adds new fan made cinematics, the youtube video looks promising but I didn't want to watch it until the end because of spoilers. (Yeah I know, spoilers for a fan made ending mod.)

Here is the link to the first video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU7XJdaz08I&fmt=22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU7XJdaz08I&fmt=22)

BSN topic:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14795358/1 (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14795358/1)

Download link:
http://social.bioware.com/project/8587/#files (http://social.bioware.com/project/8587/#files)

Don't ask me how to install in because I'm still downloading and have no clue.
Youtube is my friend!
Title: Re: Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut Releases on June 26th
Post by: Grif101 on November 05, 2012, 11:29:50 PM
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but I couldn'd be bothered to make a new topic.  :P

If there is anyone still unhappy about the endings some fans made a "Happy ending mod" it skips all of the god child scenes and adds new fan made cinematics, the youtube video looks promising but I didn't want to watch it until the end because of spoilers. (Yeah I know, spoilers for a fan made ending mod.)

Here is the link to the first video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU7XJdaz08I&fmt=22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU7XJdaz08I&fmt=22)

BSN topic:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14795358/1 (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14795358/1)

Download link:
http://social.bioware.com/project/8587/#files (http://social.bioware.com/project/8587/#files)

Don't ask me how to install in because I'm still downloading and have no clue.

Hooray for fandom!