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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #375 on: July 21, 2015, 10:29:01 PM »
So I've heard disagreeing with feminists on Twitter may become illegal in Canada. You know, I always complained about how political correctness and social justice was rampant in Sweden, but I've begun to think that Canada may just be one step ahead in that regard.

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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #376 on: July 21, 2015, 11:35:24 PM »
So I've heard disagreeing with feminists on Twitter may become illegal in Canada. You know, I always complained about how political correctness and social justice was rampant in Sweden, but I've begun to think that Canada may just be one step ahead in that regard.
Yeah, were pretty bad when it comes to being overly politically correct... Though It's because we like bring able to say were better than America, which has its ups and downs

That said, we also try to complain as little as possible on the world stage to keep the appearance that we have everything sorted out when we don't. It's weird

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« Reply #377 on: July 22, 2015, 01:19:54 AM »
Yeah, were pretty bad when it comes to being overly politically correct... Though It's because we like bring able to say were better than America, which has its ups and downs

That said, we also try to complain as little as possible on the world stage to keep the appearance that we have everything sorted out when we don't. It's weird
Canada needs to unrustle its jimmies.
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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #378 on: July 22, 2015, 05:28:02 AM »
Yeah, were pretty bad when it comes to being overly politically correct... Though It's because we like bring able to say were better than America, which has its ups and downs

That said, we also try to complain as little as possible on the world stage to keep the appearance that we have everything sorted out when we don't. It's weird
Making freedom of speech illegal doesn't make you better than the US.

Infact I think that makes it worse?

People just need to take a joke and not be afraid of people getting butt hurt. Lets the Salt pour freely I say.

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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #379 on: July 22, 2015, 05:45:26 AM »
Making freedom of speech illegal doesn't make you better than the US.

Infact I think that makes it worse?

People just need to take a joke and not be afraid of people getting butt hurt. Lets the Salt pour freely I say.
Well, we do have freedom of speech... with the exception that Hate Speech isn't allowed, similar to a bunch of other first world countries, though we go a step further in clearly defining when something is and isn't hate speech.

In the case of what Tobbs is speaking about This, and while I'm not well versed in it, apparently the man was harassing the two women, twitter backed the women, publicly shamed the man and the case went to court.

Of course, this comes in the wake of pretty much all of our political parties, and the general populace wanting to expand our Hate Speech and Harassment laws to include harassment from Online sources... but all of them have completely different ways they want to do it.

Its all pretty much a mess, and will continue to be until after the election this October, then once The speaker decides to put it on the houses agenda to cover once it reconvenes.

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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #380 on: July 22, 2015, 07:58:26 PM »
I believe hate speech shouldn't be illegal. Especially online. That is stupid. Incredibly so. Also hate speech lets the idiots Identify themselves as being biggots, so they can be shamed. Then it comes down to what is defined as hate speech, and a government should definitely not be in charge of "defining" that.

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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #381 on: July 22, 2015, 08:15:35 PM »
One golden rule for the world "Don't be a cunt/dick."

If you're using free speech to be a cunt/dick and then hide behind the fact it's a right to say it you're still being a cunt/dick. No amount of legal technicalities will stop people hating you for being a cunt/dick, regardless of gender.
And if a government isn't willing to step in when people are bringing forth hate crimes and spewing hatred of the worst kinds to rile people up to get an explosive reaction or any kind of damaging action taking place but then intervene to protect someone if their targets then begin retaliatory actions because of this stupid "free speech" guise then it's just a sad, sad situation for all involved.

Hell the UK isn't perfect but I'd say our ability to stamp down on harmful elements in society is a lot less restricted than in the US where and arsehead can say whatever they damn well please to a certain extent.
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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #382 on: July 22, 2015, 08:32:21 PM »
One golden rule for the world "Don't be a cunt/dick."

If you're using free speech to be a cunt/dick and then hide behind the fact it's a right to say it you're still being a cunt/dick. No amount of legal technicalities will stop people hating you for being a cunt/dick, regardless of gender.
And if a government isn't willing to step in when people are bringing forth hate crimes and spewing hatred of the worst kinds to rile people up to get an explosive reaction or any kind of damaging action taking place but then intervene to protect someone if their targets then begin retaliatory actions because of this stupid "free speech" guise then it's just a sad, sad situation for all involved.

Hell the UK isn't perfect but I'd say our ability to stamp down on harmful elements in society is a lot less restricted than in the US where and arsehead can say whatever they damn well please to a certain extent.
And that is what is beautiful. Is they can.

Also Hate Crime, involves...well Crime. Not Speech.

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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #383 on: July 22, 2015, 09:37:33 PM »
And that is what is beautiful. Is they can.

Also Hate Crime, involves...well Crime. Not Speech.
Beauty is not driven by hate.

I honestly think that the US has gotten used to the whole "say what ever you want" thing. Because honestly there are some things that should just not be said.
And the rampant paranoia of "well where does it end, if I can't say what I want then when do they start the indoctrination??" is honestly just embarrassing by this point. Either be confident in the fact that you're trimming down hatred or just admit where the faults are, stop trying to sweep it under the rug of it being a "right".

You're telling me that some racist gently-carresshead's views takes precedence over the ability for another to exist? That their rights of social freedom, justice and safety are all invalidated because a few twats want to be able to shout them down simply because of a skintone, or a genetic origin?

And that's just one source. What about religious origin/practice?
Or wealth?
Or social standing based on all of the above?

All because you want it so people don't get paranoid that the big bad man is going to clamp down on them, despite the fact that when systems put in place in other countries around the world have significantly less hate crimes and hate speeches performed than the US. Because of this one "right".


Also we have seen what a slippery slope it is from Hate Speech to Hate Crime. As soon as it goes from being internal to an external force it has the potential to be a rallying cry for others of a similar mindset.


I dunno how one can stand aside and be okay with allowing people to be the worst kind of scum on this Earth, perpetuating the oldest and most disgusting behaviours of human nature all because "well they have a right to do so".
It's not freedom to be unable to say "Hey, these people are being pretty dickish, are we going to be okay with letting them keep doing that?" and have the response effectively being "yes, we're okay with them carrying on and representing us and this right in practice."
I can honestly say that I would not feel free living in a country like that.
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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #384 on: July 22, 2015, 10:20:07 PM »

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« Reply #385 on: July 22, 2015, 10:33:37 PM »
*snip*
Are you implying that I am a massacre about to happen? :D
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« Reply #386 on: July 22, 2015, 10:42:40 PM »
Are you implying that I am a massacre about to happen? :D
It's a meme, mazder. You shouldn't think too much about it :P
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« Reply #387 on: July 22, 2015, 11:27:47 PM »
It's a meme, mazder. You shouldn't think too much about it :P
I know, I was joking man. :)
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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #388 on: July 23, 2015, 01:24:19 AM »
Beauty is not driven by hate.

I honestly think that the US has gotten used to the whole "say what ever you want" thing. Because honestly there are some things that should just not be said.
And the rampant paranoia of "well where does it end, if I can't say what I want then when do they start the indoctrination??" is honestly just embarrassing by this point. Either be confident in the fact that you're trimming down hatred or just admit where the faults are, stop trying to sweep it under the rug of it being a "right".

You're telling me that some racist gently-carresshead's views takes precedence over the ability for another to exist? That their rights of social freedom, justice and safety are all invalidated because a few twats want to be able to shout them down simply because of a skintone, or a genetic origin?

And that's just one source. What about religious origin/practice?
Or wealth?
Or social standing based on all of the above?

All because you want it so people don't get paranoid that the big bad man is going to clamp down on them, despite the fact that when systems put in place in other countries around the world have significantly less hate crimes and hate speeches performed than the US. Because of this one "right".


Also we have seen what a slippery slope it is from Hate Speech to Hate Crime. As soon as it goes from being internal to an external force it has the potential to be a rallying cry for others of a similar mindset.


I dunno how one can stand aside and be okay with allowing people to be the worst kind of scum on this Earth, perpetuating the oldest and most disgusting behaviours of human nature all because "well they have a right to do so".
It's not freedom to be unable to say "Hey, these people are being pretty dickish, are we going to be okay with letting them keep doing that?" and have the response effectively being "yes, we're okay with them carrying on and representing us and this right in practice."
I can honestly say that I would not feel free living in a country like that.
Well the more socialist the rest of y'all become the more Libertarian I become.

Let them be dicks, punish them if they try to do anything more than being loudmouthed assholes. It is in no way right to infringe on some one's ability to say what they please. A world I refuse to live in. If you like big brother watching you thats fine, but people should keep to their damn selves, and the government should have no part in it.

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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #389 on: July 23, 2015, 07:49:26 AM »
Well the more socialist the rest of y'all become the more Libertarian I become.

Let them be dicks, punish them if they try to do anything more than being loudmouthed assholes. It is in no way right to infringe on some one's ability to say what they please. A world I refuse to live in. If you like big brother watching you thats fine, but people should keep to their damn selves, and the government should have no part in it.
>Restricting other people's voices by allowing arseholes to keep spouting their hate such as racism, classism, religious conflicts and general bullying.
>Allows people to freely spout bigotry, hate and other disgusting acts with 0 repercussions.
>Thinks he's for liberty for all.

HA!

So, basically you're in support of all the arseholes in your society then.
The Westboro Baptist Church. The KKK. Any Neo Nazi's.Any any(insert race or religion here).
Because you think it's perfectly okay for them to keep spewing whatever they want. That shows you're okay with them representing you as a country, as a people.
You are totally and 100% fine with not having someone telling them to "stick to their damn selves" as you so put it?
So those who don't want hateful things spouted at them should just like it or lump it?
Such freedom, many liberties.

If you're being a dick you should be punished for being a dick, which includes being a loudmouthed arsehole because, guess what, if you're doing that excrement in public it's supposedly disturbing the peace and should at least get you a night in the cells if you keep doing it and you have no public speaking permit (meaning it being a scheduled event).

The difference between say my country and the US would be if someone was spewing racist crap in public over here they'd be at the very least allowed to be put under a formal state of public arrest  (meaning a group of people can basically tell them to shut the gently-carress up, representing some public opinion) If they choose not to shut up then the police come to tell them to shut the gently-carress up because they're disturbing everyone else in a public place. If they still continue they get thrown into a cell for the night to "cool of" under the disturbing of the peace acts. Generally released the next day with a 3 strikes and we'll have to consider a formal charge, or a more serious one, especially if they escalate. Most likely a lot more than 3 strikes.

In the US. They can keep doing it so long as they're American.
No matter if people have to suffer through it, nope, they can keep doing it.
Oh someone hit them in the face for saying something hateful at them? Better arrest the attacker instead of both of them. Because that makes sooooooo much gently-carressing sense.
Get rid of the problem person? Naaaaah, can't do that, gotta let them be free.

Apparently having the ability to call the cops to remove a hateful element from the public sphere is Big Brother watching over us. Ooooooh, spooooooooky!
Says the guy from the country with the most stereotypically publicly infringing governmental agencies in the world, has a government agency that freely admits to spying on you and you have the gall to claim you're not under Big Brother's watchful eye?
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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #390 on: July 24, 2015, 07:08:33 AM »
Policing what people say isn't a good idea because as much as we would like the government to be a neutral party, it isn't.  Using Westboro as an example you have people just protesting them and making fun of them all the time.  Hell here is the house that got painted like a rainbow across the street from their "church".

Hate speech laws also turn into a slippery slope allowing the easily offended minority to gain control over majority.  Which turns into the tumblrina "feels feels" bullexcrement.

Is it horrible that people still treat each other like excrement?  Yes.  Do I wish people would just get along because we are all in this together?  Of course.

So, basically you're in support of all the arseholes in your society then.
The Westboro Baptist Church. The KKK. Any Neo Nazi's.Any any(insert race or religion here).
Because you think it's perfectly okay for them to keep spewing whatever they want. That shows you're okay with them representing you as a country, as a people.
You are totally and 100% fine with not having someone telling them to "stick to their damn selves" as you so put it?
So those who don't want hateful things spouted at them should just like it or lump it?
Such freedom, many liberties.
You know he doesn't support them why do you say that?  They have the right to say it no matter how bigoted it is and how much you disagree with it.
Its just the whole, "I will defend your right to be an asshole but I will still call you a gently-carressing asshole."

>Restricting other people's voices by allowing arseholes to keep spouting their hate such as racism, classism, religious conflicts and general bullying.
>Allows people to freely spout bigotry, hate and other disgusting acts with 0 repercussions.
>Thinks he's for liberty for all.

HA!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Come on man.  We can have discussions about this stuff without getting to this.  There is no need to start with mocking somebody.


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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #391 on: July 24, 2015, 05:00:52 PM »
Policing what people say isn't a good idea because as much as we would like the government to be a neutral party, it isn't.  Using Westboro as an example you have people just protesting them and making fun of them all the time.  Hell here is the house that got painted like a rainbow across the street from their "church".
It's not policing what they say it's giving those who don't like what they're saying a system to remove it that doesn't end with them getting charged for, say, defending someone against racial, sexual or class based hatred.
What can you actually do in the US right now to stop that hate in it's tracks if you have no power to silence the terrible actions and voices of terrible people? Other than just shouting over them?
I honestly can't think of one that will not either get you arrested yourself or disturb the peace more than what that person is already doing.
That doesn't sound like that person is free to go about their lives unaccosted. That doesn't sound like they have been liberated.

Using this as an example, yes you can protest them yourself but you haven't stopped them by mocking them, you've just now got two groups mocking each other. The problem has literally doubled!

Hate speech laws also turn into a slippery slope allowing the easily offended minority to gain control over majority.  Which turns into the tumblrina "feels feels" bullexcrement.
They do, this is true. I am not for all of them myself.
Yet I am more secure here with the potential for the overly sensitive crowd to lobby against me than I would be in the US with literally anybody able to lobby against me.

Is it horrible that people still treat each other like excrement?  Yes.  Do I wish people would just get along because we are all in this together?  Of course.
Yes, it is.
Anti-racism and anti-bigotry laws help to restrict the amount of excrement people treat each other like.
Even if it is a more socialist ic view there is a reason for it. It helps society. You don't have to worry about racism and bigtry as much as people can now be rightly punished for being a racist dickhead in public.
They don't have to worry as much against a verbal attack against their being, because that's what hate speech is in this sense, a declaration that you hate someone for whatever reason and you wish something upon them that can be seen as malicious.

You know he doesn't support them why do you say that?  They have the right to say it no matter how bigoted it is and how much you disagree with it.
Its just the whole, "I will defend your right to be an asshole but I will still call you a gently-carressing asshole."
No, they shouldn't. And saying anything less than that is support for them and what they do.

If you are not willing to present them with any type of actual resistance that can be enforced and get some results other than shouting back at them, assaulting them or committing any kind of offence yourself in order to make the society around you a better one then how can you actually say you're against it?
If you're not willing to be the change in your society then how on earth can you make it better?

How on earth does the message of "I don't like what you're doing but I am going to let you keep doing it anyway!" say anything other than you are not actually willing to stop that hate flowing forth, infecting more minds and lives.

And even if that's not the case, no matter how hard or much you say "I am against them" they will always represent you or a part of your society that you are okay with welcoming in. Because you don't want to change it.
If they have a right to say this crap, then you should also have a right to be able to take them out of the public space. If it's by locking them in the cells for a night for them to cool off then so be it.
Because as much as they may have a right to speak you should also have access to guarantee shutting them up, and if enough people do it then maybe it'll get into other's heads that saying those things might not be such a good idea after all if that many people are having them arrested each time.
The only thing stopping that happening is a massive feeling of paranoia that if that is done it WILL get out of control. As if the US populace doesn't have the self confidence to self regulate so they say "gently-carress it, everything is allowed no matter how hateful."
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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #392 on: July 25, 2015, 12:18:38 AM »
I don't feel mocked. To be mocked, He would have to actually make a good argument.

The only thing he has argued for is a mode to silence things he doesn't like. Its not how the world works. Things being silenced is not a good thing, even if it is distasteful.

Anti-Blah blah blah laws actually promote that sort of excrement not decrease it. Gun violence has only risen in places with stricter policy's (In the US). Gun violence even happens in places where guns are banned.

SO telling people not to say something is gonna make every racist come out of the wood work to challenge that authority. You want to get rid of racism, biggotry, and oither stupid excrement. Improve education. Seriously, revamp what is being taught in school. Restricting people usually has the opposite effect in a free society. If you want to go big brother, you will have to do it for a couple generations to pacifiy the populace until all people who remember what freedom was like are dead. Then you can have your bland, grey, "utopia".

NO need to shut people up, you literally don't have to listen to these assholes, and if they are in your face shout back. But if its in gently-carressing social media, don't be a bitch and whine, just gently-carressing mute them, its function you can literally use in most social media sites. Don't respond to hate, and you don't feed it. Attack hate, is like throwing kindling on the fire. Anybody learn anything from the civil rights movement?

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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #393 on: July 27, 2015, 06:54:34 AM »
I don't feel mocked. To be mocked, He would have to actually make a good argument.

The only thing he has argued for is a mode to silence things he doesn't like. Its not how the world works. Things being silenced is not a good thing, even if it is distasteful.

Anti-Blah blah blah laws actually promote that sort of excrement not decrease it. Gun violence has only risen in places with stricter policy's (In the US). Gun violence even happens in places where guns are banned.

SO telling people not to say something is gonna make every racist come out of the wood work to challenge that authority. You want to get rid of racism, biggotry, and oither stupid excrement. Improve education. Seriously, revamp what is being taught in school. Restricting people usually has the opposite effect in a free society. If you want to go big brother, you will have to do it for a couple generations to pacifiy the populace until all people who remember what freedom was like are dead. Then you can have your bland, grey, "utopia".

NO need to shut people up, you literally don't have to listen to these assholes, and if they are in your face shout back. But if its in gently-carressing social media, don't be a bitch and whine, just gently-carressing mute them, its function you can literally use in most social media sites. Don't respond to hate, and you don't feed it. Attack hate, is like throwing kindling on the fire. Anybody learn anything from the civil rights movement?

On the topic of guns, the vast majority of places with stricter gun control face more violent crime rate world-wide. A lot of gun control centric organizations will base their findings on the fact that reducing guns reduces gun crime. Yes, it does, but that's a strawman argument. You want to focus on the actual rate of violent crimes. If you take away guns, criminals are just gonna use something else (or still use guns). Look at Great Britain for example, they have very strict control, yet their violent crime rate is one of the highest in Europe. Australia is another example too. Also, the rate of shootings hasn't really risen, it's the rate of coverage that has.

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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #394 on: October 20, 2015, 06:48:13 AM »
And now to update everybody...Against all odds, Justin Trudeau has officially become the new Prime Minister of Canada, electing a Majority Government! WOOOHOOOO!

And now over the next 4 years, we will be legalizing Marijuana, enacting Electoral Reform, Banning Attack Ads, demuzzling the Scientists, Repeal C-51 (or atleast change it so its nothing like what the Conservatives proposed), Repeal C-24, and last but not least, Invest Massively on Infrastructure and Cut Taxes for the Middle Class while raising them for the top 1%. If we're lucky, we will also get Mandatory Voting, Online Voting and Electoral Reform to MMP.

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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #395 on: October 20, 2015, 10:30:38 AM »
The only thing he has argued for is a mode to silence things he doesn't like. Its not how the world works. Things being silenced is not a good thing, even if it is distasteful.

It's not a thing to silence one thing one person doesn't like. It's an ability for everyone to have an ability to get rid of those ridiculous individuals who understand nothing but a dead obvious "stop doing this or there are repercussions that will affect you and no-one else". These are the types of people that cause a scene, picket funerals and generally poke at everyone and everything just because they can.
Skirting around them every day instead of getting something actually done to prevent the problem of these fringe but loud movements sounds like a lot more work for little pay-off.


Anti-Blah blah blah laws actually promote that sort of excrement not decrease it. Gun violence has only risen in places with stricter policy's (In the US). Gun violence even happens in places where guns are banned.
Well yes, you can not iron out gun crime completely, you can't restrict a technology increasing.
And the US is not the best leader in lack of gun violence, this is what happens when you have a country that is almost the size of a continent. You have too much to deal with and not enough of a consensus to actually come to a reasonable decision on gun control laws.
One bit is rampant with paranoia, another is straight up terrified, another has no gently-carresss to give and others are actually almost reasonable.

What most don't actually consider is that gun control is not about controlling people with guns, it's about making sure that those with guns are in control of their firearms and not going off the deep end.
People don't need assault rifles. They don't, they simply do not have a need for them in the current climate with a stable government (when there is one), and if some are that worried about their government doing a 180 and turning on them then maybe they should consider moving to another place of residence.
Now they can want and have them all they want, so long as they'd be willing to make sure they're trained and assessed with them, made sure they're storing them safely and correctly and not being just some stereotypical "gun nut with a horde of guns waiting for the apocalypse to happen".

SO telling people not to say something is gonna make every racist come out of the wood work to challenge that authority. You want to get rid of racism, biggotry, and oither stupid excrement. Improve education. Seriously, revamp what is being taught in school. Restricting people usually has the opposite effect in a free society. If you want to go big brother, you will have to do it for a couple generations to pacifiy the populace until all people who remember what freedom was like are dead. Then you can have your bland, grey, "utopia".

NO need to shut people up, you literally don't have to listen to these assholes, and if they are in your face shout back. But if its in gently-carressing social media, don't be a bitch and whine, just gently-carressing mute them, its function you can literally use in most social media sites. Don't respond to hate, and you don't feed it. Attack hate, is like throwing kindling on the fire. Anybody learn anything from the civil rights movement?
Except it hasn't.
The UK has laws like that in place currently and look, barely anyone is coming out of the woodwork to challenge it. Hell, we had someone running for power just last election who was skirting that edge with a lot of people calling him a racist bigot. And he was one of the most popular candidates judging by number of votes. Oh, but because of those pesky anti racism laws in our country he couldn't actually put what he wants in place without changing the laws, making everyone perk up and look at what he was doing. It's almost as if we don't want to be seen as bad people or a bad country or something.

Yes, there is a need to shut some people up. Some people literally understand nothing but an authoritative hand on their shoulder stopping them. They see you shouting back as a need for them to shout louder to be heard more.

Also the whole social media muting thing, yeah that's not a perfect analogy for exactly the thing we've been talking about, just applied to the real world.
Anti race, anti bigotry, anti hate laws and policies in general are the "mute button" of society. You are muting that voice from being heard. The only difference is if you were in a chat server and someone mutes this person for being distracting/disruptive.
You want to not hear something any more, fine, they'll be taken and told to be quiet, if it happens again, then it gets more serious as more people/more incidents will arise from it.

On the whole civil rights movement.....yeah...given the recent history of the US and the racial prejudices and hate being brought up, yeah the civil rights movement looks to be something the United States still needs to learn from in places.

On the topic of guns, the vast majority of places with stricter gun control face more violent crime rate world-wide. A lot of gun control centric organizations will base their findings on the fact that reducing guns reduces gun crime. Yes, it does, but that's a strawman argument. You want to focus on the actual rate of violent crimes. If you take away guns, criminals are just gonna use something else (or still use guns). Look at Great Britain for example, they have very strict control, yet their violent crime rate is one of the highest in Europe. Australia is another example too. Also, the rate of shootings hasn't really risen, it's the rate of coverage that has.
True, but violent crime is listed as including "assault", this being a drunken punch up outside a pub one night or even just a bloody slap to the face (yeah, a slap to the face can be classed as an assault in the UK and is listed as such) which would naturally inflate the figures a little.
The US laws exclude these types of attacks from their violent crime lists, or the lists reported by the police as crime tracking. So you can see how in comparison to the US Europe can have a higher general violent crime number due to simply how crimes are classified.
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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #396 on: October 22, 2015, 07:22:56 AM »
And now to update everybody...Against all odds, Justin Trudeau has officially become the new Prime Minister of Canada, electing a Majority Government! WOOOHOOOO!

And now over the next 4 years, we will be legalizing Marijuana, enacting Electoral Reform, Banning Attack Ads, demuzzling the Scientists, Repeal C-51 (or atleast change it so its nothing like what the Conservatives proposed), Repeal C-24, and last but not least, Invest Massively on Infrastructure and Cut Taxes for the Middle Class while raising them for the top 1%. If we're lucky, we will also get Mandatory Voting, Online Voting and Electoral Reform to MMP.

We Won! gently-carressing Suck It Harper!

Rin, show a little restraint, and perhaps a little more respect please. Harper is not a demon, dictator or enemy, he did what he could as Prime Minister. Even Justin Trudeau thanked him for his service and specifically stated Harper was not his enemy. He may have enacted unpopular policies, but remember he was privy to information others were not, as Trudeau will now be, so we can't judge him. We will see how Trudeau does now that he's in the big seat, who knows maybe he too will act contrary to what you think is right, we will see.

I shouldn't even have say this, but you are also a Moderator...a certain amount of neutrality is expected, in case thing's ever get out of hand. Not mad, just reminding you that Harper is a human and fellow Canadian, and as a Moderator you have certain responsibilities to be nonpartisan.
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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #397 on: October 22, 2015, 03:41:01 PM »
Rin, show a little restraint, and perhaps a little more respect please. Harper is not a demon, dictator or enemy, he did what he could as Prime Minister. Even Justin Trudeau thanked him for his service and specifically stated Harper was not his enemy. He may have enacted unpopular policies, but remember he was privy to information others were not, as Trudeau will now be, so we can't judge him. We will see how Trudeau does now that he's in the big seat, who knows maybe he too will act contrary to what you think is right, we will see.

I shouldn't even have say this, but you are also a Moderator...a certain amount of neutrality is expected, in case thing's ever get out of hand. Not mad, just reminding you that Harper is a human and fellow Canadian, and as a Moderator you have certain responsibilities to be nonpartisan.

To be fair about the whole thing, I have been 300x more civil over on Facebook and Twitter about the whole thing, and yesterday was re-going through all of Harper and the Conservatives Political Legacy from a neutral stance picking out the good things he did (There will be a couple good things that will last)... and for those, I thank him from his service; but for the others, its good he is gone... especially after he turned this campaign into a hate fest against Muslims (women especially) which ended in actual Canadian Citizens getting physically injured by the encouraged bigots.

This election was pretty much all about rallying the Left around the almost impossible cause of Strategic Voting for ABC, but nobody actually thought that would take off as it did. So now its our job to hold the Liberals to account and make sure they pull through on their platform, something I'm not all too concerned about for the vast majority of it such as with their Electoral Reform policies, the opening up the government records by a substantial amount (so we no longer have an election off of incorrect handpicked information that the government chooses to release), and most importantly the banning of Partisan Advertisements outside of an election period... and possibly in general all together.

Though if all else fails, I'll be happy if we just give the Scientists their voice back, something I helped perpetrate considering we kicked out our Conservative MP who at times in the HoC has been actively hostile to the scientific community, going as far as to publicly mock the scientists in the incredibly few times they were invited to a bill committee.

I'm also sure that in a couple years I'll be tired of Justin Trudeau because of something or another, so for now we might as well milk the progressive policies for all we can.

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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #398 on: October 23, 2015, 05:51:49 PM »
Hmmm...nothing like an ellection going on here in my country right now...

Although there is the possibility of the current president going through an impeachment trial.
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Re: PolitiCentral
« Reply #399 on: June 25, 2016, 12:01:18 PM »
Let's bring this sleeping horror to life because reasons :sorcerer:

Congratulations to the United Kingdom for choosing liberty and sovereignty! Here's hoping your big cousin Sweden joins you soon! ( `・ㅂ・)و

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