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Title: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Rune on June 19, 2013, 09:08:54 PM
(http://news.xbox.com/~/media/Images/Media%20Assets/May%2021%20Press%20Kit/Hardware%20and%20Accessories/Hero%20Shots/Xbox_Consle_Sensr_controllr_F_TransBG_RGB_2013.png?w=940)

Microsoft has released a full reversal on all of its DRM plans, ranging from online connectivity to used game sales. You will no longer have to be connect once per day, and games won't be locked to your accounts. Seems they had a small change of heart after Amazon announced the PS4 was outselling the xbone 4 to 1.
For more information: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update)

Edited title.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: killer rin on June 19, 2013, 09:15:26 PM
They also announced that they have removed the ability to share and sell digital games and you will now require the disk to be in all times instead of not requiring it like earlier.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 19, 2013, 09:16:15 PM
also here:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/rumor-microsoft-set-to-reverse-controversial-game-licensing-policies/ (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/rumor-microsoft-set-to-reverse-controversial-game-licensing-policies/)
Title: Re: Microsoft has Bipolar Disorder
Post by: LordNecross on June 19, 2013, 09:18:05 PM
I have a few things to say to this.

ONE - I am still getting a PS4 first and foremost, This may make me consider an Xbox One down the line when I can afford it.

TWO - They are gently-carressing lying saying they listened to anyone, they just excrement their pants when they realized all the money they would lose. They only cared about the reaction Sony got, not the advice the consumers gave them day one.

THREE - They are still damaged goods, and all look like complete asses now. They just back peddled and that looks about as good as sticking to their guns did.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: LordNecross on June 19, 2013, 09:19:03 PM
They also announced that they have removed the ability to share and sell digital games and you will now require the disk to be in all times instead of not requiring it like earlier.
Untrue, its only required if you get the game on disc. If you download it from there online service it does not require a disc, as you never had one.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: killer rin on June 19, 2013, 09:20:42 PM
Untrue, its only required if you get the game on disc. If you download it from there online service it does not require a disc, as you never had one.
I meant for physical games. It pretty much guarantees that I'm no longer purchasing any special editions.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: LordNecross on June 19, 2013, 09:22:22 PM
I meant for physical games. It pretty much guarantees that I'm no longer purchasing any special editions.
okay? Sorry bout that I guess.

In other news, this is a Consumer Victory. Celebrate.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Mukora on June 19, 2013, 09:25:07 PM
Wow. I definitely wasn't expecting Microsoft to be this not-stupid.

Still probably going to get a PS4, but god damn. I think everyone should do a victory dance for this.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: LordNecross on June 19, 2013, 09:28:13 PM
Wow. I definitely wasn't expecting Microsoft to be this not-stupid.

Still probably going to get a PS4, but god damn. I think everyone should do a victory dance for this.

(http://i.imgur.com/9IHb3.gif)
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Grif101 on June 19, 2013, 09:32:05 PM
Does it matter? A game is a game, and a console is a console.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Rune on June 19, 2013, 09:34:48 PM
Does it matter? A game is a game, and a console is a console.
in this case, since both consoles run on x86/64, they are actually pc's :)
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: LordNecross on June 19, 2013, 09:37:34 PM
Does it matter? A game is a game, and a console is a console.
It matters if one of the consoles requires you to be raped by it to play.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Grif101 on June 19, 2013, 09:45:28 PM
It matters if one of the consoles requires you to be raped by it to play.

I suppose. Recent events has caused me to see thing's differently. Gaming just doesn't hold the same importance for me anymore.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: LordNecross on June 19, 2013, 09:50:02 PM
I suppose. Recent events has caused me to see thing's differently. Gaming just doesn't hold the same importance for me anymore.
Sorry to hear that man. Hope you are recovering. Would like to see you active in the PBP again.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Mukora on June 19, 2013, 09:53:19 PM
It's not even really a matter of whether or not gaming is important to someone. It was just about really excrementty business practice that should not be (and thankfully was not) encouraged.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Rune on June 19, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
It's not even really a matter of whether or not gaming is important to someone. It was just about really excrementty business practice that should not be (and thankfully was not) encouraged.
well, it is software. could theoretically be changed back at any time.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: LordNecross on June 19, 2013, 10:00:17 PM
well, it is software. could theoretically be changed back at any time.
And could be reimplemented on short notice.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Mukora on June 19, 2013, 10:26:27 PM
True. And I'm not sure I would put that past Microsoft.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: SirEmilCrane on June 20, 2013, 01:06:33 AM
Interestingly enough, this comes out the day after the US Navy released statement saying that the xbox one was useless for soldiers on deployment and that it would be buying PS4s in future.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: SirEmilCrane on June 20, 2013, 01:10:56 AM
There's also this, Microsoft has really stepped in deep excrement this time

http://www.warpzoned.com/2013/06/congressmen-propose-we-are-watching-you-act-an-anti-kinect-bill/ (http://www.warpzoned.com/2013/06/congressmen-propose-we-are-watching-you-act-an-anti-kinect-bill/)
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: killer rin on June 20, 2013, 01:40:51 AM
There's also this, Microsoft has really stepped in deep excrement this time

[url]http://www.warpzoned.com/2013/06/congressmen-propose-we-are-watching-you-act-an-anti-kinect-bill/[/url] ([url]http://www.warpzoned.com/2013/06/congressmen-propose-we-are-watching-you-act-an-anti-kinect-bill/[/url])

Already taken care of (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy)

Quote
You are in control of what Kinect can see and hear: By design, you will determine how responsive and personalized your Xbox One is to you and your family during setup. The system will navigate you through key privacy options, like automatic or manual sign in, privacy settings, and clear notifications about how data is used. When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded.

You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences.

You are in control of your personal data: You can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission. Here are a few examples of potential future scenarios:
A fitness game could measure heart rate data to provide you with improved feedback on your workout, allow you to track your progress, or even measure calories burned.
A card game could allow you to bluff your virtual opponent using your facial expressions.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 20, 2013, 01:42:55 AM
There's also this, Microsoft has really stepped in deep excrement this time

[url]http://www.warpzoned.com/2013/06/congressmen-propose-we-are-watching-you-act-an-anti-kinect-bill/[/url] ([url]http://www.warpzoned.com/2013/06/congressmen-propose-we-are-watching-you-act-an-anti-kinect-bill/[/url])
Indeed. Having a camera on all the time is, well, creepy as gently-carress. Having a patent for counting people in front of the thing and blocking content is downright despicable. They have no business controlling how the console is used or how many people get to sit in front of it.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 20, 2013, 01:45:52 AM
Already taken care of ([url]http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy[/url])

Oh finally, something clear. Though I still think they deserve all the bashing they can get just for starting this mess. If there was no stink raised over this, they'd just walk over people and implement it as is.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: killer rin on June 20, 2013, 01:46:02 AM
Indeed. Having a camera on all the time is, well, creepy as gently-carress. Having a patent for counting people in front of the thing and blocking content is downright despicable. They have no business controlling how the console is used or how many people get to sit in front of it.

Companies file patents all the time which never get used, hell Sony sits on this thing
(http://www.fastcodesign.com/multisite_files/codesign/imagecache/inline-large/post-inline/inline-sonycommercialpatent-6yqkz.jpg)

Oh finally, something clear. Though I still think they deserve all the bashing they can get just for starting this mess. If there was no stink raised over this, they'd just walk over people and implement it as is.

That's been out for a couple of weeks now :P
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 20, 2013, 01:49:54 AM
Though the xbone should not collect any sort of info, but consume it as it is provided by kinect. Use it, and then immediately discard it.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 20, 2013, 01:51:28 AM
Companies file patents all the time which never get used, hell Sony sits on this thing
([url]http://www.fastcodesign.com/multisite_files/codesign/imagecache/inline-large/post-inline/inline-sonycommercialpatent-6yqkz.jpg[/url])
I'd be bashing them along with microsoft if they did that kind of crap. And wouldn't buy their console either.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: killer rin on June 20, 2013, 01:53:33 AM
Though the xbone should not collect any sort of info, but consume it as it is provided by kinect. Use it, and then immediately discard it.
Which is what it does. Its just like today where you have to actually go searching through the settings and jump through a million hoops if you want to set up the data reporting.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: SirEmilCrane on June 20, 2013, 01:53:35 AM
My issue with this kinect watching you thing is that even if you can turn it off its still a service no one wanted in the first place, and you know little Timmy's parents will have no idea how to turn the damn thing off.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 20, 2013, 01:55:35 AM
My issue with this kinect watching you thing is that even if you can turn it off its still a service no one wanted in the first place, and you know little Timmy's parents will have no idea how to turn the damn thing off.
And it is a $100 "service" at that. Quite an artificial way to raise the console's price.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: killer rin on June 20, 2013, 01:56:14 AM
My issue with this kinect watching you thing is that even if you can turn it off its still a service no one wanted in the first place, and you know little Timmy's parents will have no idea how to turn the damn thing off.
They've already said that it defaults to off, that you have to dig through the settings in order to turn it on, and that they walk through the privacy settings as the first thing that ever happens when you turn the console on for the first time.

Besides, Kinect has alot of functionality that is amazing for games. The new one is much, much more powerful than the old one, and since it comes with the console, developers know they can rely on the person having it so more experiences will be built for it.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 20, 2013, 01:59:47 AM
They've already said that it defaults to off, that you have to dig through the settings in order to turn it on, and that they walk through the privacy settings as the first thing that ever happens when you turn the console on for the first time.
That argument doesn't really matter. It's there. That's a problem in itself. And it drove the price of the console up. Had it been optional like with the 360, a lot of people would simply not get it at all and move on.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 20, 2013, 02:01:55 AM
Besides, Kinect has alot of functionality that is amazing for games. The new one is much, much more powerful than the old one, and since it comes with the console, developers know they can rely on the person having it so more experiences will be built for it.
Yeah, sure. Everyone will want to wave their arms and speak to it.

I tried using it. Did not like it in the least. I felt like a loon waving my arms around like that.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: LordNecross on June 20, 2013, 02:14:03 AM
They've already said that it defaults to off, that you have to dig through the settings in order to turn it on, and that they walk through the privacy settings as the first thing that ever happens when you turn the console on for the first time.

Besides, Kinect has alot of functionality that is amazing for games. The new one is much, much more powerful than the old one, and since it comes with the console, developers know they can rely on the person having it so more experiences will be built for it.
No thanks. I will just use My Controller, and apply a Hammer to the Kinect.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: killer rin on June 20, 2013, 02:24:10 AM
Yeah, sure. Everyone will want to wave their arms and speak to it.

I tried using it. Did not like it in the least. I felt like a loon waving my arms around like that.
Thats where the new functionality comes in. The Camera is better, and the microphone is better. The Kinect can now Track controllers, determine heartrate, operate in a pitch black environment and be able to filter out even the most noisy of rooms.

Developers can use the heartrate function in it (something everyone drooled over when Nintendo announced the now dead vitality sensor) to enhance horror and shooters. With the higher quality camera, developers can track more subtle things like a quick shake of the body (as used in DR3 to throw off zombies who jump on you instead of having to mash a button) or a persons thumbs. The Kinect can now track the controllers so you can do things with those (or at the OS Level how it will auto sign in to whatever controller you pick up). And the Microphone is not only much more sensitive to sounds, but it does a much better job at filtering out background noise to only hear you, this way your not repeating things over and over again for it to pick up.

They do so much more with the new Kinect. Developers will be able to make Kinect a large part of games because it is part of the standard package and not something only 10 Million people have. Everyone will have one so more things will be crafted with it. Its just going to become something that everyone expects.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 20, 2013, 02:40:29 AM
Thats where the new functionality comes in. The Camera is better, and the microphone is better. The Kinect can now Track controllers, determine heartrate, operate in a pitch black environment and be able to filter out even the most noisy of rooms.

Developers can use the heartrate function in it (something everyone drooled over when Nintendo announced the now dead vitality sensor) to enhance horror and shooters. With the higher quality camera, developers can track more subtle things like a quick shake of the body (as used in DR3 to throw off zombies who jump on you instead of having to mash a button) or a persons thumbs. The Kinect can now track the controllers so you can do things with those (or at the OS Level how it will auto sign in to whatever controller you pick up). And the Microphone is not only much more sensitive to sounds, but it does a much better job at filtering out background noise to only hear you, this way your not repeating things over and over again for it to pick up.

They do so much more with the new Kinect. Developers will be able to make Kinect a large part of games because it is part of the standard package and not something only 10 Million people have. Everyone will have one so more things will be crafted with it. Its just going to become something that everyone expects.
Nah, I'll pass. I don't care for the kinect stuff at all.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Tobbs on June 20, 2013, 02:55:03 AM
Nah, I'll pass. I don't care for the kinect stuff at all.
Agreed. What Rin said is only a problem in my eyes.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Mukora on June 20, 2013, 08:24:36 AM
No thanks. I will just use My Controller, and apply a Hammer to the Kinect.
Nope. If you do that, the Xbox just flat out won't work.

That's another really crappy thing. The Kinect is not in the least-bit damage-resistant. And if it breaks, which it will, you're out another hundred bucks to make your console work.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: LordNecross on June 20, 2013, 10:08:02 PM
At my Local Game stop.

Xbox Ones reserved: 2

PS4s Reserved: Out of Stock the second they get there shipment, as every single one of them and more were reserved.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 20, 2013, 11:09:12 PM
At my Local Game stop.

Xbox Ones reserved: 2

PS4s Reserved: Out of Stock the second they get there shipment, as every single one of them and more were reserved.
It's a very small statistic, but I like it anyways. :P
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: killer rin on June 21, 2013, 12:17:59 AM
At my Local Game stop.

Xbox Ones reserved: 2

PS4s Reserved: Out of Stock the second they get there shipment, as every single one of them and more were reserved.
Its the exact opposite here :P
...I couldn't even get one at the two stores close to where I live in Toronto either. Had to go to Amazon.ca to secure my spot.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 21, 2013, 12:55:57 AM
Its the exact opposite here :P
...I couldn't even get one at the two stores close to where I live in Toronto either. Had to go to Amazon.ca to secure my spot.
Boo! Hiss! :P
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Mukora on June 21, 2013, 01:13:17 AM
Obviously the people in Toronto are insane.

Hm. Maybe there's a reason Orphan Black is set there.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: killer rin on June 21, 2013, 02:15:45 AM
Obviously the people in Toronto are insane.

Hm. Maybe there's a reason Orphan Black is set there.
Center of the universe man.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: LordNecross on June 21, 2013, 02:31:12 AM
Center of the universe man.
Lol So Toronto is filled with people who feel important? :P

ANyways, Thats crazy that so many were willing to be abused by Microsoft. Sad actually.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: killer rin on June 21, 2013, 02:46:17 AM
Lol So Toronto is filled with people who feel important? :P

ANyways, Thats crazy that so many were willing to be abused by Microsoft. Sad actually.
But its true, Just google "Toronto Center of the Universe" We even had a documentary titled that.


 ::)
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: LordNecross on June 21, 2013, 02:56:38 AM
But its true, Just google "Toronto Center of the Universe" We even had a documentary titled that.


 ::)
Anyways, not sure this has been asked before... but whats a Canada?
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: killer rin on June 21, 2013, 02:58:28 AM
Anyways, not sure this has been asked before... but whats a Canada?
I'm not sure but I think a Canada is one of the few countries in the world which haven't succumbed to financial collapse :P
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 21, 2013, 04:17:45 AM
Anyways, not sure this has been asked before... but whats a Canada?
A bunch of people that extract maple syrup from maple trees?
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: PMorgan18 on June 21, 2013, 04:22:55 AM
I'm not sure but I think a Canada is one of the few countries in the world which haven't succumbed to financial collapse :P
Because they already went through it in the 1990s and fixed it by actually cutting spending.  Wish I could say the same for this country.  :dry:


OT:
Microsoft lost a measurable amount of fan base and even changing everything they are not guaranteed to get that trust back.  Granted I never had any plans to buy the NSAbox even before it was announce and I only might get a PS4 later down the road for the exclusives and to use for a blu-ray player/entertainment center.  Also I could get a Rift and a Razer Hydra.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Grif101 on June 21, 2013, 05:52:00 AM
Because they already went through it in the 1990s and fixed it by actually cutting spending.  Wish I could say the same for this country.  :dry:

Yes, but we cut most of the spending from the military budget. At a time when it desperately needed an overhaul, and replacements for aging equipment. And even now, though it's gotten more attention, the CF still really needs new equipment. We've resorted to cannibalizing some of our ships and aircraft to keep the others operational. And I should also add none of our really old submarines really work anymore.

So yeah...don't go envying our amazing budget foresights quite yet.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 21, 2013, 12:14:51 PM
Because they already went through it in the 1990s and fixed it by actually cutting spending.  Wish I could say the same for this country.  :dry:
Yes, but we cut most of the spending from the military budget. At a time when it desperately needed an overhaul, and replacements for aging equipment. And even now, though it's gotten more attention, the CF still really needs new equipment. We've resorted to cannibalizing some of our ships and aircraft to keep the others operational. And I should also add none of our really old submarines really work anymore.

So yeah...don't go envying our amazing budget foresights quite yet.
Sorry to weigh in on this, but this discussion belongs in the politicentral thread.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: PMorgan18 on June 21, 2013, 01:09:41 PM
Here is a good comparison of the PS4 and Xbox
(http://i.imgur.com/MLPe57O.png)
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: mikethor007 on June 21, 2013, 03:38:35 PM
Here is a good comparison of the PS4 and Xbox
([url]http://i.imgur.com/MLPe57O.png[/url])
As it is on that picture, the PS4 still wins IMO. $100 cheaper, Indie developers can self-publish.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Rune on June 22, 2013, 06:51:22 AM
xbone is now above ps4 in total presales.
faith in humanity destroyed, burned, blown to the four corners of the universe and erased from time
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: Mukora on June 22, 2013, 07:13:01 AM
To be fair, the entire point of a boycott is to make a company stop doing something. And if they actually do stop, then it kinda makes sense to end the boycott and actually buy the thing.

Still, didn't expect the numbers to shoot that high.
Title: Re: Microsoft has a Change of Heart
Post by: LordNecross on June 22, 2013, 11:44:35 AM
xbone is now above ps4 in total presales.
faith in humanity destroyed, burned, blown to the four corners of the universe and erased from time
How sad...

At least I won't be one of the ones buying it.

Its also speculated the whole thing was a stunt in itself from Microsoft as well, the whole DRM thing.

Honestly they don't deserve the sales for what they did Muk. They still need to be taught that it was a dumb idea.